01
Sep
09

Examples?

This is directed to “oneblood” here:

In response to my statement:

My point was this, after rereading my statements, I think I see where it was misleading: The understanding of science by scientists does not lead to the understanding of science by the lay person in America. This is documented factually. Part of the cause of this is due to scientifically illiterate promoting their simple (read: false) explanation to the public.[…] Anyway, it was factual in that we have made radical advances in science which more than half of the public is completely clueless about. They hold ideas which are blatantly contradicted by modern science, and even when presented with the evidence, will try millions of ways to wriggle away from the findings. We cannot just present information and say “here’s the information, take the test and forget it.” We must find a way to present information in such a way to get them to want to learn more about it.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t further explore the concepts, I’m saying we should engage the non-scientists. I’m not encouraging people to stop washing their hands because people will still get sick, I’m saying keep washing your hands, but let’s find out why they are sick so we can fix the problem.

I’m going to illustrate where you mislead yourself now, and I won’t respond to logical fallacies.

Einstein’s and Newton’s ideas have been disseminated into common thought in a simplistic fashion but they have revolutionized culture

Yea, they know the “e=mc2” part, but they don’t know a damn thing about what it means, nor do they understand the rest of it… Newtonian physics made it’s away into the mainstream right when it reached the end of its theoretical framework.

even if indirectly through science fiction

(read: not bound by the constraints of reality)

or news shows or what have you. To say otherwise is foolish.

I guess I’m foolish to think people don’t understand evolution. What were you saying about evolution (150 years and remind me of the numbers…) seeping into society? Want me to keep it to news articles? I guess I’m foolish to think people have an absurd fear of vaccines. Want another? How about the Canadians? Had enough SPECIFIC examples? Want to see where the disconnect is?

Science is NOT well understood by the public. To think otherwise is to be disconnected from reality. It has nothing to do with what I think about how well people understand science. They don’t.

Moving on:

But I have a feeling that the elitism you’re projecting is a symptom of your technocratic ideology.

“Commoners” are just simply buffoons who use what you and the other French royalty provide. You’re so magnanimous Jared, way to go!

Ad-hominem, much? No? You don’t think so?

I’m glad I used the example of washing hands, because hardly anybody did that just 200 years ago as a manner of practice before eating. Yet now a lot of people understand that washing your hands helps to reduce incidences of sickness.

Yes, remind me when the Germ Theory of Disease came about? I corrected your metaphor; I normally wouldn’t use a metaphor such as “hand washing,” but it was an explanation of what I was actually saying reworded into your metaphor: “It’s like pointing out that there are still people who get sick, so washing your hands does nothing to “stop disease” and probably perpetuates it.”

But they must be idiots because they don’t know the latest developments in bacteriology.

That type of mentality, among other things, is exactly what’s wrong with education.

Nice, you propose something is wrong with my mentality for looking at the failures of a system and trying to fix it? What a wonderful way to discuss a topic.

If you want to discuss something, fine, but don’t attempt to take my quotes out of context and use them to support your preconceived notions.

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