28
Sep
09

They’re so cute

Aww, the Christian wants to argue, should I rip into his claims? I think so, since he feels an appeal to ignorance qualifies as evidence as illustrated on this comment.

In any event, let’s have some fisking fun:

There’s a story going round that atheists are intelligent, well educated and “brighter” than anyone else in the world.

Well, there is a correlation between educational level and religiosity, but that doesn’t mean being an atheist makes you smarter or better educated, it could just be that the smarter and better educated you are, the more likely you are to see religion for what it is…

religion-and-education

See?

It’s gotten to the point that even atheists are starting to believe that stereotype. However, there is ample proof to show that that’s an unfair and inaccurate stereotype. Example One below:

Is there data?

Z’s First Comment
“the universe exploded from a point that must have been infinitesimally small and dense.”

Definitely an oversimplification; but you’re also illustrating a broad generalization with a single case, based upon this type of evidence, I could say Christians can’t argue because of your apparent inability to understand basic logic. I would never do such a thing since Christians CAN be very intelligent and think critically.

Z’s Second Comment
“Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy – nothing.”

Well, of course “prior” is irrelevant since there was no “prior”–which is why asking “what caused the big bang” is such a nonsensical question. How many wings do fairies have?

I’m still waiting Z for you to tell me why those comments aren’t contradictory.

Or, you can just say, “I was wrong. Everything came from nothing and:

Slippery slope, here you come!

. Since nothing, literally nothing natural or material existed, and

You’re doing well so far.

. Since I rule out anything supernatural, or outside of nature, and

Ohh, damn, see, you missed it right there; we have no reason to suppose these things existed then or now. We do, however, have reason to suppose the universe did expand from an infinitesimal singularity with infinite mass, but I doubt you have read about this.

. Since everything that begins to exist does so because of a cause

Yep, and you missed it again right there. Have you heard of radioactive decay? What causes a specific alpha or beta particle to leave a specific atom at a specific point in time? It is unstable, but why then? And why that specific arrangement of energy?

The reason you want causality is because we humans love to have it. It seems like then we have the answer, unfortunately, not everything needs a direct cause, hence you have issues.

. That means that I believe that nothing caused everything to begin to exist.”

Not exactly, the universe came into existence due to unknown cosmological causes. We know precisely how the universe expanded from this singularity, but because time and space didn’t exactly exist until the universe began to expand, it did not “cause” it to happen.

Or you can even go by the ultimate proof that intelligent, knowledgeable atheists is a false and misleading stereotype and quote Richard Dawkins himself.

Now you’re stepping into my domain, aren’t you?

“Nothing EVOLVED into everything.”

See, what you fail to realize is that evolution is about replication, if you have a single self-replicating chemical compound, (it can be ANY replicating chemical compound) it will be subject to evolution. This means, simply put, that a very simple self-replicating chemical can result in immense diversity. You arguments are both arguments from ignorance. Good luck with learning to argue more effectively.

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1 Response to “They’re so cute”


  1. September 28, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Ugggghhh. I get so tired of “you believe that nothing created everything, nyah nyah” argument. I think I may have just heard it too often, but I also just generally dislike extrapolating from what people you disagree with claim to believe in order to present what they “really” believe (i.e. creating a strawman and calling it an implication). It’s rather similar to mockingly simplifying Christian doctrine to “God sacrificed himself to himself to protect us from himself” or calling Jesus “Zombie Jesus”. Though I will grant that, unlike the oversimplification first presented, the former of my examples is a genuine problem that I have never seen actually explained while assuming that the Trinity is true, and the latter is more for shock/humor value than an actual attempt at argument. And it also doesn’t factor in that the “nothing created everything” position being lampooned is more consistent with what we know about reality through science than more “common sense” religious positions, so…


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